To Stack or not to Stack

[Crafted]

I have seen a few pictures in the gallery where people have the filters beside each other and not stacked as shown in the standard Clearvue setup pictures. Does it make a difference one way or the other?

Looking at Louie's (http://www.gallery2.clearvuecyclones.com/v/CV1800+and+CVMax/Custom-Built-Godzilla-Cyclone/DSC01369.jpg.html) pictures in the gallery, it appears it is ok for the cleanout to come before the filters. Does this make any difference as the dust settles first in the cleanout and doesn't go through the filters?

I would like to have the filters side by side as it will give me room to install a muffler but if it is better to have the filters stacked then I will go that way.

I also noticed one guy had his filters on their side and somehow had the air go from the outside in to filter as opposed to inside out. Is there any real benefit to run it this way or is it just creating a headache?

Thanks for the help!

[Danscyclone]

Crafted, I'm not an expert on filters but I don't think it would make any difference to have them stacked or side by side. You would want the air flow going into the side by side ones to be equal and then the air flow and pressure would be the same if stacked or not.
Louie has a nice set up with the filters on top and a large muffler but you are pushing the air through more ductwork. Any chips and dust would settle in the clean out just like having the clean out after the filters.
With the filter on its side and blowing into them from the outside, it looks like the chips and dust would settle to the bottom for easy clean up. I can see how blowing the air into the center with them in a horizontal position would trap chips and dust and make cleaning a real job.
I have mine side by side with a diverter above them where I can divert the exhaust outside or through the filters. You can see my set up at the web site below. I plan to try and put some picture in the Gallery in a couple of days.

[R and D Nikkel]

Dan,
Nice site. Could you please explain of maybe post a better picture of your diverter? Blast gates on the outflow side of the cyclone can be difficult to seal so I am interested in seeing more of your set up.
Thanks

[Danscyclone]

R and D,
Thanks for the comment. I didn’t take any pictures of the internal parts of the diverter during the construction. Monday, I am going to try to put some pictures on the Gallery under the DYI Cyclone and in the Dust Hoods.
I wanted to keep the exhaust air expanding so I made the diverter 9 in, sq. The internal parts consists of a flat plate for the gate that I mounted on a ½ x 5/16 in. steel pipe and used a 5/16 threadall for the axis and ½ in. formed angles for the seals which are just metal to metal. I didn’t try to make the seal air tight because I’m not concerned about the leakage between the outside and filters. There is a latch at the top to hold the gate in the straight up position so the air goes thru the filters and in for the down position, about 45 deg., to exhaust the air outside it just rests on the seal angles.

[Crafted]

Hey R & D,

I saw Louie's picture through your reference. I believe you have a long 8" insulated flex coming off of the cyclone and running through your sxs filters. I am thinking of running my exhaust side with the 8" insulated flex about 4-5' into a 36" muffler and then a bit more insulated flex into the blowout with the filters stacked sxs on top of the blowout kinda like how Louie went. Is this too much pipe for exhaust air? I am more into having a long exhaust to help reduce the noise as it seems to work from reading on here. Is it possible to have too much length?

[Danscyclone]

Crafted,
I had about 10 ft of 8 in. insulated flex hose for the exhaust that I would run out the garage door before I installed my filters. I did some air flow masurements with the 10 ft flex and afterwards with the new filters and shorter flex. I didn't get any difference in the air flow.

[Crafted]

Crafted,
I had about 10 ft of 8 in. insulated flex hose for the exhaust that I would run out the garage door before I installed my filters. I did some air flow masurements with the 10 ft flex and afterwards with the new filters and shorter flex. I didn't get any difference in the air flow.

Thanks Dan!

Hopefully the next week or two is slow with work so I can spend some time assembling all of this. I think I will go with the filters SxS and also use roughly 5' of insulated flex into a 36" muffler with another 5' of flex off of that running into the cleanout with the two on top. I have plenty of ceiling height and think I should be able to get it to work with minimal bends.

[R and D Nikkel]

Thanks Dan!

[Danscyclone]

R and D,
I created an album of my Bill Pentz cyclone that has more photos and comments on my exhaust air diverter. I want to get them in the DIY cylone gallery but I don't know how to do it or how the system works. Any help in that area would be nice.

[R and D Nikkel]

Dan, I am hoping dwdrury will chime in here. We put ours up over 2 years ago and they have changed the format since, so between forgetting how and the changes, I don't think I would be much help.

[Matt]

Hi Dan,

I can move the gallery if you will tell me which gallery to move where. May take me a few days to figure it out myself but will post what i figure out.

Matt

[Danscyclone]

Matt,
Thanks for the help. I have made two albums: Danscyclone that I wanted to put in the DIY Cyclones and Danscyclone Hoods that I was going to add to the Dust Pickups and Hoods.

[dwdrury]

Dan,

Maybe I'm getting blind in my old age but I didn't see your albums in the CV photo gallery. I'm not able to visit as often as I once did, but try to show up once a week or so.

Not entirely sure which part of the gallery you want assistance with. Is it just getting photos to the gallery or, once in the default location, moving your new albums to the appropriate categories?

For now I'm going to assume the latter. And, as Matt has graciously given me admin access to the galleries, I'm going to also assume you'd see roughly the same options as I see, though that might not be the case.

Once your album is loaded in the Default gallery, if you back out to see the whole "Default...", you should see a little box next to your gallery. One of the options there is "Move Album". Selecting that will pop up another page, with another list. There should already be a check in the box beside your album, but if not, click the box. Below that is a "Destination" dialog box. Open it up, find the appropriate gallery, such as "DIY Cyclones", then click "Move".

You can also get to the same place from inside your album. The list of options on the left of the screen should also have a "Move Album" option.

Holler if you need more assistance. As I've posted in this thread, it should notify me via email if you do.

If what I see as admin differs significantly from what you can see, also holler once you have a picture or two in each album and I can move them. Once that's done, you should be able to add more photos, edit, all those things. Suggest you only do a couple in case I screw something up and you have to do it again.

And just to reiterate, though I thought it was mentioned elsewhere, the gallery is a separate signup. You'll have to register, pick a userid and password for it as well. Can be the same, can be different.

Regards,
DWD

[Danscyclone]

DWD,

I don’t know if you are going blind or not but maybe I’m the one that needs to see the eye doctor. I need to let you know that this is the first forum that I have joined and I don’t know how it and the gallery work.
This is what I did. I went to the Gallery and tried to login with my forum login but the gallery wouldn’t accept that. My thinking was the forum and gallery are interconnected but they are apparently separate entities. On the Forum, I found that I could make an album and put my pictures there under my id Danscyclone.
So the problem is that I don’t know how the gallery works and how to create an account and login. Once I’m in the gallery, I assume I can upload my albums and then with the instructions you gave, I can get them where I want.
Thanks,

[dwdrury]

Hi, Dan,

I know Matt was trying to make it so there was only one userid and password, don't know if he succeeded. Apparently not if you're not able to log onto the gallery.

Based on your last post, I just went to the gallery, and lo, it doesn't seem there's an obvious way to sign up. I'll do some research but may have to see what Matt's been up to.

More when I find it!

Regards,
DWD

[Matt]

I see that there is no way to sign up but the question is how did you make photo albums without logging in? I haven't tried to interconnect to forums and gallery for a while and basically have given up on that idea as it's out of my league. I will try and figure out why the regristration has left the gallery though but on mini vacation this weekend so it won't be until sunday before i do.

Sorry for all the problems,

Matt

[dwdrury]

Hi, Matt,

I just sent you a private email, think I found the problem but for fear of creating a bigger mess, didn't proceed. I sent it to your clearvue email acct, and a copy to Ed.

I'll be watching this for the next hour or so, holler or call me if I wasn't clear in the email.

Regards,
DWD

[Danscyclone]

Matt and DWD,

Thanks for looking into this.
I created the albums on the forum by going to the "cumminity" tab and then the picture and album, then clicked the create album and they were added to my profile.

[dwdrury]

Hi, Dan,

Guess I just never looked. Didn't realize one could do the photos right in vBulletin. Which, of course, then begs the questions: Why have a separate Gallery, and, if the decision is made to merge, can the current gallery be successfully imported?

There goes your December, Matt!

Impressive, Dan!

Regards,
DWD

[Danscyclone]

DWD, Thanks!

[Matt]

WOW that's crazy!! Who added that? LOLOLOL I guess it happened with the last forum upgrade!! Anyway that's cool and is/was what i wanted 3 years ago!! Will Have to check into an import but first have to figure out what that is!!

Thanks,

Matt

[Danscyclone]

Matt,
I can tell you that I didn't add that. I'm glad that I could point that out. It was easy to do but to get the right sequence, you have to load the pictures starting fom the last one. And it's good to see that neither me or DWD need neew glasses.

[dwdrury]

Probably also accounts for why I haven't seen any Gallery New User Registrations that usually hit my mailbox, Matt.

Was the email I sent clear enough?

Well, I wouldn't go that far, Dan. These glasses do seem to get more and more foggy as the years go by, even though I get my eyeballs cleaned and rotated annually.

Regards,
DWD

[dwdrury]

You already know this, Dan. I tried, just for drill, creating my own album here in vBulletin. Photos have to go in backwards from how you want them displayed (newest upload is presented at the top). You can add a caption, change the title, both for each photo and for the album as a whole. You can make the album public or private, and delete it, but those appear to be the only options.

Thus I don't think it would replace the gallery, as there's just so much more you can do with the stand alone. Assuming we (meaning Matt, of course) fix(es) the new registration problem.

Think its a corporate decision, Matt. Having the gallery imbedded in vBulletin would be much easier to maintain, might lower storage costs, and would simplify your home page. But with some loss in detail, user friendliness, I think.

Regards,
DWD

[dwdrury]

Dan,

Matt just emailed me, said he updated the registration plugin. Said it didn't appear to have worked but I started poking around.

True enough, from the main page it doesn't appear there's a way to register. However, if you click the blue "Login" on the top right of the screen, when the next page loads there's a "Register" button in the same place, and that takes you to the registration page.

I'm trying to see if there's a way to get that button to the main page, no joy as yet. And when I log out, the main page's login spot at the top left doesn't recognize my userid and pw. Closing the browser and reopening seems to work. Don't know if that's a function of my being an admin or not.

About to call it quits for the evening myself but will try some more for a little while. Would be interested to hear if you were able to register, but should get a confirming email anyway. As should you when you're registered.

After that, log in again, then go to the "default location..." sub album, and page over until you find the one with your name or userid. Have at it, but I'd just test a couple of photos or so at first, see if all's working as it should.

Sorry for the confusion and problems.

Regards,
DWD

PS: Think I fixed it. Edited the caption for the main gallery page, and by doing so, it seems to have refreshed the system so the "register" button now appears, top right.
DWD

[Danscyclone]

DWD,

Thanks for all the help with this. I will see if I can get it setup tomorow.

[dwdrury]

Dan,

I edited my previous post but will reiterate here. Think I fixed the main gallery page. I edited the caption on the main gallery page, and by doing so, it seems the rest of the display page updated itself, and the "Register" button now appears at the top right.

Hope it works for you tomorrow. I'm about done this eve myself.

Regards,
DWD

[Danscyclone]

DWD,

My login attempt to the gallery has failed but the gallery has added my nane to the bottom of the default location so I'm making some progress.
I filled in the registration for the gallery and received the conformation email, clicked the link to complete the registration which took me to the gallery login page. Attempted to login but the login failed ‘due to multiple attempts’, I thought that may have been from my previous tries to login yesterday using the same id and pass but the system shouldn’t have recognized me since I was not registered then. I clicked the ‘recover password ‘and the instructions say a conformation will be emailed with a URL that I must visit to set a new password. The email did not have a temporary password to use and the URL in the email takes me back to the gallery login page (update: The email was a welcome to the gallery note and says nothing about changing the password.). I attempted to login again using my original id and password and got the same failed message, clicked the recover password again but did not receive an email.
At least this shows I am not going insane by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results since I didn’t get a second email. I tried going back to the registration page and put in a new password but get the message ‘the id, Danscyclone, already exist’.
So the problem now looks like I need to enter a new password but I am unable to do that.
Thanks,

[Danscyclone]

DWD,

Disregard my last reply. I just attempted to a login to the gallery again and received the failed attempt note then requested to have the password reset and it was successful this time. Reset password, logged in and was presented with the page to add photos. I will attempt that later today.
Thanks very much to you and Matt for all the help on this.:)

[dwdrury]

Glad I logged into the forum first! I got the email saying your gallery ID was created, then the one from the forum where you said you still couldn't get on. Was all about to reset your pw, send you a private email, and ask you to try again. Thought I'd double check if you'd tried again and updated the post. Which I see you did.

Glad you're finally in business on the gallery! Again, sorry it took me so long to grasp what you were trying to tell me. Crossed fingers it continues to work as it should!

Regards,
DWD

[dwdrury]

I see you were successful, Dan. Nice work!

Regards,
DWD

[Danscyclone]

DWD,

Thanks again for your help and nice comment. It looks like the registration and everything is working good.

Thanks,

[Crafted]

So back to the filters...

When stacking the filters side x side, does the top need to be capped off? It seems in some pictures that the filter is clamped down to the clean out box but the top is left open. From my understanding it is to be a totally sealed system with the air only able to exit through the filters.

R & D, is this what you did as well or is yours sealed off on the top?

Many Thanks!

[Danscyclone]

Crafted, I'd say this thread got off track but I did get my albums into the gallery. You would want to have the filters capped off . I don't know if you have your filters but I used the Wynn Enviromental 9L300BL that are open on both ends and on thier site they show a 9E300Bl that is closed on one end.

[R and D Nikkel]

Our filters have one closed end and one open end.

[Crafted]

Thanks everyone, looks like I'm going to be making some modifications to my double open end filters!

[Erik]

Crafted,

I am the guy that has the horizontal filter setup in a filterbox.
Here is the reason:
Donaldson told me that the filters are designed to be used so the air flows from the outside to the inside. (in my case)There is a very special fine mesh that gives the filter the 0,5micron capability. It is not on the inside.
The horizontal setup was choosen because it was easy to make. all square. No special divider for the airflow to split the air between the two filters. Also it is very easy to clean from the inside with airhose through the outlets on the side (remove the overbags first). Once the lid is off the box is very handy to clean the whole thing and the dust collects at the bottom of the box.
The multiplex for the box I used is the waterfoof type (it is called 'concrete multiplex' in Belgium and is waterproof on the outside), because it is very smooth and will not hold any fine dust and the surface will not add to the back pressure.
The overbages are a real bonus in my situation. Appart from keeping the bigger chips out of the filters the fine dust collects on top of the overbag and can be vacumed all around by just turning the filters. It is very easy to check the state of the filters: if the overbag is no longer white or worst case completly covered in dust (brown) it is time for a quick vacuum.
One more thing: I did not want to put a bend at the end of the blower because, from the information I found, you should have a least 3 impeller lengths of straight outlet for a better performance = less backpressure.

Would I change anything?
Perhaps one day I might turn the box 90° to add extra lenght for a mufler or some other configuration to dampen the sound even more.

Just my 2 cents

Erik

[Don01]

Crafted,

I am the guy that has the horizontal filter setup in a filterbox.
...
The overbages are a real bonus in my situation. Appart from keeping the bigger chips out of the filters the fine dust collects on top of the overbag and can be vacumed all around by just turning the filters. It is very easy to check the state of the filters: if the overbag is no longer white or worst case completly covered in dust (brown) it is time for a quick vacuum.
One more thing: I did not want to put a bend at the end of the blower because, from the information I found, you should have a least 3 impeller lengths of straight outlet for a better performance = less backpressure.
.....
Erik

Erik,
I had also read that the straight run on the exhaust is important - Cincinnati Fan recommend that a straight duct equal to 4X the wheel diameter be installed before any elbow.
http://www.cincinnatifan.com/catalogs/EngData-203-internet.pdf

Do you have a part number or specification on the Donaldson Overbags?

Thanks

Don

[Erik]

Don,

Small typo, yes it is 4x, Sorry
The Donaldson partnr is 262-2099. They are too big for my filters but they can be shortned to fit the diameter of the filters.
I have no idea what they would cost in USA.
If you cannot find them I have a few left over that I can send you.

Erik

[Don01]

Erik,
Thanks. That was fast! I'll look for them here as we have some pretty good filter distributors.

Don